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thasadar606 · Mar 27, 2008, 09:16 PM // 21:16

Dude, google-it!

http://www.autohotkey.com

it's even free of charge

VitisVinifera · Mar 27, 2008, 09:23 PM // 21:23

thasadar:

that's good stuff that you got a GM to reply to you. I wish I could personally get ahold of this guy, because his answer frustrates me. If a GM has time to reply, they have time to offer a concrete answer to a specific situation, not his 'I can't answer hypotheticals' nonsense.

They'll say that a fully-automated gameplaying bot is illegal. Yeah we all know that. They'll admit that scripting emotes to a G15 (/resign, /rank, etc) is fine. We have enough common sense to figure that out.

I want to know about scripting using alcohols. That's not botting, farming, playing in a pvp or explorable area. But it's not being at the keyboard the entire time. The thought of mindlessly double clicking alcs over 10,000 minutes truly bores me. That's 167 hours of otherwise game time I can't get back. And a straight answer from GM Greg (or someone from Anet) would be greatly appreciated. I don't think that's too much to ask.

thasadar606 · Mar 27, 2008, 09:41 PM // 21:41

Well...I'll try to be fair in my affirmation: if I would cheat using my G15 or any other software I would expect a ban..and be sure ..as game masters they rely on logs of in-game events(a system that starts logging when a player begins to behave fishy is built-in guild wars -TESTED- )

Drinking potions (IN MY OPINION) does not harm anyone!

BUT
-there we go again-
Support said that we should play the game as intended...( maybe they intend to track the use of alcohol in instance with the use of dwarf skills,or maybe an automation of the consumption of materials (materials that you fairly WON/BOUGHT) does not contradict the thin limits of macro use under the license agreement.

thasadar606 · Mar 27, 2008, 09:51 PM // 21:51

I just thought up of a comparison between MACRO USERS and real life events:

It's just like drugs being illegal and us smoking weed trying to convince the police : "C'mon...man..I-s just weed!..Weed ain't even a drug!"

excuse the parallel but I found it funny -hope u do too

PS:
I have flooded this topic with my post sry for that but i rally love GW and I really love my G15 ...and them cuties going together is like butter and toast.

Aerian_Skybane · Mar 27, 2008, 10:12 PM // 22:12

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Originally Posted by VitisVinifera

thasadar:

that's good stuff that you got a GM to reply to you. I wish I could personally get ahold of this guy, because his answer frustrates me. If a GM has time to reply, they have time to offer a concrete answer to a specific situation, not his 'I can't answer hypotheticals' nonsense.

They'll say that a fully-automated gameplaying bot is illegal. Yeah we all know that. They'll admit that scripting emotes to a G15 (/resign, /rank, etc) is fine. We have enough common sense to figure that out.

I want to know about scripting using alcohols. That's not botting, farming, playing in a pvp or explorable area. But it's not being at the keyboard the entire time. The thought of mindlessly double clicking alcs over 10,000 minutes truly bores me. That's 167 hours of otherwise game time I can't get back. And a straight answer from GM Greg (or someone from Anet) would be greatly appreciated. I don't think that's too much to ask.

To be honest dude, I think the whole alchohol automation thing is pretty easily common sense as well.

You are fully automating a part of the in game experience that requires human input, no matter how mundane. You are creating a repetitive script that will give you the ability to hit a button and walk away from the computer while completing something that could NOT be done without it.

If that thought bores you, then why the hell do you want the title? As for answers, do you really think ANet is going to give up a position of priveledge to give a specific breakdown of the use of macros? This is the information age, something that is said today will be outdone or disproved tomorrow, and something they say today that is "not a problem" may turn out to be a huge problem when someone abuses it the next.

Common sense.

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Originally Posted by thasadar606

PS:
I have flooded this topic with my post sry for that but i rally love GW and I really love my G15 ...and them cuties going together is like butter and toast.

Just wanted to make your comparison "sweeter". Them going together would be like vanilla ice cream and hot fudge

. Butter and toast is boring and not as tasty.

thasadar606 · Mar 27, 2008, 10:22 PM // 22:22

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Originally Posted by Aerian_Skybane

Just wanted to make your comparison "sweeter". Them going together would be like vanilla ice cream and hot fudge

. Butter and toast is boring and not as tasty.

I wanted to sound cavity-friendly! I was in fact thinking of alcohol and pills, but then again not everybody shares my tastes

VitisVinifera · Mar 27, 2008, 10:38 PM // 22:38

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Originally Posted by Aerian_Skybane

To be honest dude, I think the whole alchohol automation thing is pretty easily common sense as well.

You are fully automating a part of the in game experience that requires human input, no matter how mundane. You are creating a repetitive script that will give you the ability to hit a button and walk away from the computer while completing something that could NOT be done without it.

If that thought bores you, then why the hell do you want the title? As for answers, do you really think ANet is going to give up a position of priveledge to give a specific breakdown of the use of macros? This is the information age, something that is said today will be outdone or disproved tomorrow, and something they say today that is "not a problem" may turn out to be a huge problem when someone abuses it the next.

what's common sense to one person may not be to another. Same goes for a GM. I'd rather remove any doubt (especially when it comes to actionable offenses, and just get things out in the clear.) Is that wrong?

What you've stated as your interpretation of what's being done in an alcohol-consuming script is virtually exactly what's being done in /resign, /emote, etc. scripts, apart from being at the computer the entire time. In some ways it's similar to things which Anet has stated is perfectly fine, in some ways it's not. Again, I'm just asking for simple clarification. No problem with that is there?

Yes, what goes into the alc title bores me. As does farming, grinding, taking 8 characters through 4 titles. But there are rewards too. I wouldn't be shaking the earth by stating that many aspects of the franchise are becoming boring and stale. If I can remove a bit of that through a keyboard script, AND Anet says it's perfectly fine, why not?

I'm not trying to get Anet to overturn something, change their minds, open a pandora's box, or create problems. I'm just asking an honest question, to get either an aswer that it's considered botting and is actionable, or it's a harmless script that doesn't affect gameplay or the economy. Either way, I just want to know where things stand so that either I can avoid what's considered a violation, or to save myself dozens of hours. That's a win-win.

thasadar606 · Mar 27, 2008, 10:43 PM // 22:43

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Originally Posted by VitisVinifera

thasadar:

that's good stuff that you got a GM to reply to you. I wish I could personally get ahold of this guy, because his answer frustrates me. If a GM has time to reply, they have time to offer a concrete answer to a specific situation, not his 'I can't answer hypotheticals' nonsense.

They'll say that a fully-automated gameplaying bot is illegal. Yeah we all know that. They'll admit that scripting emotes to a G15 (/resign, /rank, etc) is fine. We have enough common sense to figure that out.

I want to know about scripting using alcohols. That's not botting, farming, playing in a pvp or explorable area. But it's not being at the keyboard the entire time. The thought of mindlessly double clicking alcs over 10,000 minutes truly bores me. That's 167 hours of otherwise game time I can't get back. And a straight answer from GM Greg (or someone from Anet) would be greatly appreciated. I don't think that's too much to ask.

Well, I dont quite agree with that...it's not my oppinion you should consider...
..for my self: ill never farm my titles...I'm for the fun not for the recognition of some Korean kids who faint when they see my Slayer of all title.

(btw, i don't have a Slayer of All title

)

And dude! I terrorised NCsoft with G15 questions!The last answer just cut it for me.

Keep in mind! YOU ARE NOT ASKING FOR PERMISSION, it's not like a Game Masters will just say:

GAMEMASTER1:"Oh...look the poor fellow is struggling to rank-up....oh....he can use some HELP" "

GAMEMASTER2:"But we should ban him! He is practicaly away from the keyboard and does not earn his title!He is abusing macros!"

GAMEMASTER1:"ITS OK!...I gave him permission!"

if you follow my point...the same thing he told me applies for you, and for us all: you can use SIMPLE HELP from periferics -especially hardware components (seem they're not too found of software help) but stay ingame! recall the line in my answer that specifically mentioned "DO NOT WALK AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER AND LET THE MACROS DO THE JOB"

CONCLUSION: read again his answer, they do not take fondly to "I'll just let my character do the dew"

BTW empty your private mesages bulk!

AND ARENA NET DIDN'T SAY IT"S OK TO USE MACROS TO FARM/SPAM KEYSTROKES or ABUSE...!!!

VitisVinifera · Mar 27, 2008, 10:52 PM // 22:52

wow that's pretty uncool to respond to a PM (which you initiated, and I replied to) by posting in a public thread.

Pandora's box · Mar 28, 2008, 12:05 AM // 00:05

Yeah, well, so who is gonna post macro's? That's what this threat's about isn't it?
BTW, I really wonder why a new version of G15 has been released, its making the keyboard more expensive, but I don't see any improvements with the older version (which is not for sale anymore

)

Esan · Mar 28, 2008, 01:56 AM // 01:56

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Originally Posted by thasadar606

autohotkey

Beware that AutoHotkey is easily detected and specifically targeted by Anet in their anti-botting checks, as is its slightly more well-known cousin AutoIt.

Jade · Mar 28, 2008, 02:29 AM // 02:29

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Originally Posted by Alexandra-Sweet

I've been using Macros for very long now as a quick skill bar.

Now if we could use this applet without getting banned...

PlayNC says it's okay:
Thank you for contacting Guild Wars Support. We have no issue with the display of information so long as you do not modify, adapt, reverse engineer or decompile the Guild Wars client, or otherwise attempt to derive source code from the client when creating the applet.

But then again Arena Net can be trigger happy with banning when data from GW.exe gets pulled into another .exe

I've been using an applet like that for, I dunno, a year, maybe more maybe less. Never once got banned for it. I found one that's better than the one in the quoted post above though. You can find it here: http://www.deathsoft.com/release.php?rid=3.

On a side note about using macros to get the drunkard title. I'm not sure I understand why it'd be such a huge deal to do this. I mean, say I had my necro sitting in my gh getting drunk. I have a handy countdown timer set for 3 minutes so that I can click on the booze stack exactly every 3 minutes. I do this for 8 hours straight with no pee breaks, smoke breaks or food breaks. Would I get banned for "bot like activity"? Or would I be inturrupted every so often by someone verifying that I am indeed in front of my computer? Because if not, then how would they ever find out (or care for that matter) that you were using a macro to do the exact same thing?

I understand how using macros to farm critters would harm the economy, and in turn harm the gw community. But how would using a macro to click on a fricken stack of booze harm anyone or anything in the comunity? I mean aside from lowering the available amount of booze in the market?

Charlotte the Harlot · Mar 28, 2008, 03:09 AM // 03:09

I would like a clear answer on this booze topic a macro for drunkard seems pretty useful, ill try asking if no one else does i guess.

Katari · Mar 28, 2008, 04:50 AM // 04:50

G15 macros can play the new PvE PUG meta. Hurray.

Firebaall · Mar 28, 2008, 06:38 AM // 06:38

Clear answer is:

If it requires you to be in front of your computer to work, it's fine.

If it does not require you to be in front of your computer to work, it is not fine.

There's not alot of brain cells required to understand this. So, no...your drinking BOT is not allowed. Get over it.

FoxBat · Mar 28, 2008, 07:08 AM // 07:08

Time you spend online not at the computer is time Anet server needs to keep track of you online and give you bandwith.

This is half the reason they go after bots, which consume more resources than your average human. The half they usually neglect to mention. Of course, generating a ton of instances from zoning to farm produces alot more strain than standing in town...

thasadar606 · Mar 28, 2008, 09:15 AM // 09:15

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Originally Posted by VitisVinifera

wow that's pretty uncool to respond to a PM (which you initiated, and I replied to) by posting in a public thread.

excuse me dude but u had ur message box full!
and I did not want to offend you... sorry if I did

Jade · Mar 28, 2008, 09:16 AM // 09:16

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Originally Posted by Firebaall

Clear answer is:

If it requires you to be in front of your computer to work, it's fine.

If it does not require you to be in front of your computer to work, it is not fine.

There's not alot of brain cells required to understand this. So, no...your drinking BOT is not allowed. Get over it.

Thank you for clearing that up. Oh, and insinuating that we're a bunch of RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOin morons. But that's not what I asked.

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Originally Posted by Jade

On a side note about using macros to get the drunkard title. I'm not sure I understand why it'd be such a huge deal to do this. I mean, say I had my necro sitting in my gh getting drunk. I have a handy countdown timer set for 3 minutes so that I can click on the booze stack exactly every 3 minutes. I do this for 8 hours straight with no pee breaks, smoke breaks or food breaks. Would I get banned for "bot like activity"? Or would I be inturrupted every so often by someone verifying that I am indeed in front of my computer? Because if not, then how would they ever find out (or care for that matter) that you were using a macro to do the exact same thing?

I understand how using macros to farm critters would harm the economy, and in turn harm the gw community. But how would using a macro to click on a fricken stack of booze harm anyone or anything in the comunity? I mean aside from lowering the available amount of booze in the market?

I asked why it would hurt anything or anyone if I was sitting alone in my gh getting drunk. Whether it be by clicking my mouse every 3 minutes or by using a macro to click the mouse for me. Can someone without a superiority complex maybe put thier 2 cents in?

Pandora's box · Mar 28, 2008, 11:00 AM // 11:00

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

Time you spend online not at the computer is time Anet server needs to keep track of you online and give you bandwith.

This is half the reason they go after bots, which consume more resources than your average human. The half they usually neglect to mention. Of course, generating a ton of instances from zoning to farm produces alot more strain than standing in town...

Oh come on! This happens all the time. I play a while, go downstairs to eat or watch tv, do some shopping... And when I come back I want to continue without loggin on, so I don´t even bother to log off. This is 2008, bandwidth is an issue of the past.

Omnidragon42 · Mar 28, 2008, 11:29 AM // 11:29

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Originally Posted by Jade

Thank you for clearing that up. Oh, and insinuating that we're a bunch of RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOin morons. But that's not what I asked.

I asked why it would hurt anything or anyone if I was sitting alone in my gh getting drunk. Whether it be by clicking my mouse every 3 minutes or by using a macro to click the mouse for me. Can someone without a superiority complex maybe put thier 2 cents in?

It doesn't really hurt anyone, except in the sense that the people who got it manually put in more effort than you did, but they don't have to know that.

But just because it does no harm, does that make it right?